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Interview with Sol Luckman by Dr. Stuart Titus
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Phoenix Center for Regenetics
Phoenix Center for Regenetics
INTERVIEW WITH AUTHOR SOL LUCKMAN BY DR. STUART TITUS ON “HEALTH & SCIENCE: THE NEXT GENERATION”
DR. STUART TITUS: Today, it's a real pleasure for me to introduce to our listening audience Sol Luckman, author of Conscious Healing: Book One on the Regenetics Method.
SOL LUCKMAN: Thanks for having me.
STUART TITUS: This is a fabulous book that contains a lot of your great work and information you've obtained over the years. Conscious Healing, from the back cover, is: “Far more than the inspiring story of the development of a revolutionary technique for DNA activation. A brilliant synthesis of modern and ancient healing wisdom, this cutting-edge text is essential reading for anyone interested in energy medicine, consciousness research, quantum biology, human evolution, or personal enlightenment.”
SOL LUCKMAN: That's a mouthful.
STUART TITUS: Well, it certainly is. It's so great to have you here with us. Perhaps you can give us a brief overview of this technique you've developed?
SOL LUCKMAN: I'll be happy to. Briefly, the Regenetics Method arose from a realization that has been scientifically explored in a number of places, including in Russia by Dr. Peter Gariaev, that sound and light waves modulated to human language frequencies can stimulate DNA for healing and increasing consciousness. It can do this because DNA appears to follow semantic or grammatical rules, giving a lot of credence to the notion that in the beginning was the Word. It's a fascinating field of study that has been called wave-genetics, electrogenetics, and, by us, Regenetics.
STUART TITUS: And this is done on a remote basis? I mean, the individual being treated is not necessarily right in front of you.
SOL LUCKMAN: True. This is another of the realizations that came out of the research done by the Gariaev group and also Vladimir Poponin, as well as some other research groups. It appears that DNA activated by language, or radio and light waves, which we think of as thought and intention, actually opens up something akin to wormholes in the space matrix through which information can be transmitted faster than the speed of light in a superluminal fashion–a phenomenon that's attracting a lot of scientific speculation these days.
STUART TITUS: It's great to know that this sort of consciousness has been coming to light. It would be very interesting to measure consciousness with an index. Perhaps there's a way we could map the overall consciousness of human society. You're certainly making some great contributions in this area, and I enjoyed reading your book thoroughly.
SOL LUCKMAN: Thanks. In terms of a scale of consciousness, there is such a thing that has been put forth in an interesting book by Dr. David Hawkins called Power versus Force. Hawkins' model includes a scale of consciousness ranging through the different emotional states and tracking them numerically, from something like fear or shame down on the bottom all the way up through very enlightened states of consciousness, including unconditional love. Many people who have used the scale have been very happy with it.
STUART TITUS: That's great to know. Sol, you actually did a Potentiation session on me. I was here in the United States, and you were down in South America. It's fascinating how these energies are able to travel throughout the world, know how to tune us in just like a cell phone knows how to ring in right to your number, and allow for healing to take place.
SOL LUCKMAN: Interestingly, in light of the medium we're on, an Internet radio show, the research groups I've mentioned–Gariaev, in particular–liken DNA to a biological Internet, and healings are effectively emails that travel along what Rupert Sheldrake, a biologist, would call the morphogenetic network. The notion of distance healing has been scientifically, statistically proven by studies that have been done on prayer and healing. One of the most famous writers on this subject is Dr. Larry Dossey, a former cardiologist and author of Healing Words and Reinventing Medicine, books that eloquently outline the case for distance healing through prayer, for example. What we've done with the Regenetics Method is to take these concepts and look at them through the lens of DNA, and for distance-healing purposes, through the lens of DNA as a biological Internet, a field phenomenon that interconnects species regardless of time and distance. There have been many other studies on quite serious disease conditions involving prayer and healing. At the Phoenix Center for Regenetics we publish a free ezine called DNA Monthly in which we recently published an article by Cynthia Sue Larson, a well-known energy healer, on a very convincing study of distance healing performed in conjunction with a medical doctor named Elisabeth Targ.
STUART TITUS: It's just great, Sol, that Regenetics has come to the point where you have Facilitators doing this wonderful work. Now, Sol, perhaps you can tell us just a little about the Mission of the Phoenix Center for Regenetics?
SOL LUCKMAN: We like to say that the work we do represents a bio-spiritual healing path “for those with ears to hear” and that this healing path proceeds through integrated DNA activation. The Regenetics Method involves three separate DNA activations. The first is called Potentiation Electromagnetic Repatterning. Sessions take place on a specified timeline so that after you have the first one, you wait approximately five months to receive the second one. This allows for integration time.
STUART TITUS: Great words, “bio-spiritual healing path.”
SOL LUCKMAN: We also like to distinguish “healing” from “curing.” We make a point of doing that in Conscious Healing, where healing really means “wholing.” It's becoming integrated, realizing our oneness with creation, what we call Unity Consciousness, as opposed to or at least not to be confused with curing, which represents the alleviation of symptoms. Of course, both can be experienced at one time in healing.
STUART TITUS: That's a wonderful distinction, particularly for those on a spiritual path and those consciously evolving. We have the power within us to heal ourselves.
SOL LUCKMAN: Absolutely. Regenetics is inherently co-creative. We like to call ourselves facilitators, not healers, not practitioners, and certainly not doctors. Regenetics requires the individual to step up to the plate, so to speak, and meet us in the middle. We encourage people to commit to walking their highest path by using this form of “ener-genetic” activation to follow their own highest calling, whatever that is.
STUART TITUS: There's no one set formula that works for everyone?
SOL LUCKMAN: We deliver specific DNA activations. Each activation is particular to the genome as we understand it and employs language and thought. Individual experiences of these activations can vary greatly. Generally, we've observed that as one progresses through the three activations, one goes into older and deeper levels of trauma and toxicity and begins clearing on those levels. This means that if a problem is more or less a surface problem, often it can be corrected within the context of the first session. If it's a deeper problem, the second session very often can help. And if it's very deep down into what we think of as the emotional level and belief system, then the third activation has shown the most promise in such instances.
STUART TITUS: A great layered approach. Certainly, I've been very fortunate to experience some of your work and I'm aware of your brilliance in the field. But perhaps for others just tuning in and hearing about Potentiation and the Regenetics Method for the first time, we can take a step back and speak a little about how this work has evolved and why it seems so powerful in its uses today?
SOL LUCKMAN: I was very sick at the time I began developing this work. It's my belief based on research that I was negatively impacted by a series of vaccinations I received back in the mid-'90s that left me with a chronic condition that defied medical diagnosis for going on eight years. I had terrible food allergies. At one point I could only eat meat and vegetables. I couldn't even season them because of severe allergic reactions. I experienced environmental sensitivities, sleep deprivation, inexplicable rashes, tingling in my nerves and extremities–things that were very puzzling to everyone. Then I happened on the world of allergy elimination, specifically Dr. Devi Nambudripad's Allergy Elimination Technique, or NAET, and an offshoot called BioSET developed by one of Nambudripad's students, a chiropractor named Ellen Cutler. This work definitely helped me–so much so that I actually trained in a derivative of BioSET and offered it professionally for a while. I found that over a period of about a year, however, my health began to deteriorate again. It's a little hard to explain what happened then unless I use a word like “inspiration.” Around 2002 I began to suspect that one could go beyond allergy elimination and perform what I've since called an “ener-genetic reset” of the body's bioenergy blueprint that would have a more profound and permanent healing impact. At this stage I was reading a wealth of new material such as Jeremy Narby's The Cosmic Serpent, which is about DNA and shamanic healing. I started to understand the relationship between DNA and sound, specifically the vowels. It appears that the five vowels correspond to the five nucleotides or protein bases of DNA and RNA. In essence, we can use specific vowel sequences, spoken or sung, to “play” DNA a little like a piano. With the help of my partner Leigh, I developed Potentiation, which I performed on myself. Within about six months, I was back on my feet–which is quite phenomenal as I was really extremely ill starting out.
STUART TITUS: This is a story that many of us can relate to. I had a lengthy bout with Epstein-Barr, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome as it was then diagnosed, and was fortunately able to recover. But there are still many people looking for solutions. I know from all the work you've done, Sol, and everything I've been able to experience with you, that you've come up with some very profound work here. I'm just thrilled to have you on the show.
SOL LUCKMAN: It's an honor to be here.
STUART TITUS: Many people I know are familiar with kinesiology or muscle testing. Perhaps you could describe that for some of our newer listeners and how it led you to the first stage of your healing technique called Potentiation?
SOL LUCKMAN: First of all, kinesiology or muscle testing is a conflicted field. It has shown great promise; it has also met with resistance and misunderstanding. It's important to point out that with our kinesiology, having learned to muscle-test for strong and weak muscle responses working with a number of clients coming to us for allergy elimination, Leigh and I were very naive. As it turns out, that's not a bad thing to be in kinesiology, because one of the problems with muscle testing is that when one has a lot of preconceived notions about what one is testing for, the testing sometimes gets sloppy and inaccurate. So we were sort of testing in good faith, without a lot of emotional or ego attachment to what we were finding. One of the extraordinary things we discovered was that there are nine bioenergy fields and that each governs a specific set of interrelated functions in the human body. We think of each of these fields as an “ecosystem.” For example, you might have one field that energetically governs the function of bacteria, that controls the elimination of heavy metals, that also regulates the lungs, and that has certain emotions attached to it. Our testing began to present a wonderfully open-ended, or at least expanded, version of what it means to be human. The nine electromagnetic fields interface in a gridlike fashion with what have been called the chakras in the Eastern esoteric and healing traditions. The fields appear to be sonic in nature, sound-based; the chakras appear to process light energy. Here we have a connection between sound and light. A fascinating field called bioholography looks at the human body as, in essence, a hologram within a holographic universe, a hologram being an intersection of electromagnetic waves–in the case of the human body, sound and light waves. DNA functions as a transducer or translator between sound and light waves. We literally pull in universal energy in the form of sound (going back to the Music of the Spheres and other ancient notions such as the Nada Brahma or “the world is sound” philosophy) and then translate that sound into usable energy in the form of light, which in certain traditions has been called chi or prana. In Regenetics we call this the Genetic Sound-light Translation Mechanism.
STUART TITUS: Would you postulate, Sol, that perhaps people who are sick have a problem with this translation?
SOL LUCKMAN: I would indeed. I'd say that many illnesses are due to genetic damage in one form or another. Dr. Leonard Horowitz, author of a number of books on DNA, would say that our antennas have been clouded, that our reception is not what it should be. If one can clear out obstructions at the ener-genetic level, obstructions that might be toxicity, that might be trauma, that might come from vaccines, that might come from emotional problems or experiences, then one can promote the proper functioning of the organism and restore health.
STUART TITUS: Excellent. Getting into a little broader picture, I'm looking at this bioenergetic field pattern that I guess would distinguish a human from a lion or a tiger. We all have certain genetic or electromagnetic field patterns. Would you say that's correct?
SOL LUCKMAN: Absolutely. Going back to our work in kinesiology with a number of clients, while “mapping” the electromagnetic fields, we began to encounter certain individuals who didn't share the same patterning we typically encountered. There was a predominant pattern we discovered, then there were certain individuals who simply had their fields in different orders. In one group, we might find the ninth field governing the function of the liver, for example, and in another group we might find the first field regulating liver function. As we did more research, we ended up finding a total of twelve energy families–we call them Electromagnetic Groups–whose bioenergy signatures are really quite different one from another. This was fascinating, as it helped explain, for instance, why some people get sick from amalgam fillings and other don't. Then we found that these energy families lined up with the twelve pairs of cranial nerves. It's as if the twelve Electromagnetic Groups add up to the collective Mind of Humanity. Even more interestingly, perhaps, these twelve groups lined up with the twelve tectonic plates–as if there's indeed a connection between human consciousness and earth consciousness. So this model began to expand in very large and even cosmic directions pretty quickly.
STUART TITUS: Wow, that's fascinating. So perhaps some people are more disposed, say, to be athletes, others are healers, others are intellectuals. Would you say these are the kind of things that your Electromagnetic Groups reveal?
SOL LUCKMAN: To a certain extent, yes. For anyone familiar with astrology, in which there are twelve zodiacal signs, the twelve Electromagnetic Groups add a very helpful dimension to personality assessment and understanding people's behavioral patterns.
STUART TITUS: So this is like electromagnetic astrology, if you will.
SOL LUCKMAN: Yes, there are astrological elements that come into play within the electromagnetic blueprint, as well. They are connected. Truly, if we come from the stars, if we're stardust, if the theory of Panspermia is correct, DNA itself came from space and seeded the planet. So it's not at all surprising that the heavens should profoundly impact us in tangible, physical ways.
STUART TITUS: We're all interconnected. Just look at the changes taking place at the moment at a very accelerated rate compared to the previous history of the human species. It's fascinating what's going on in such a compressed period of time.
SOL LUCKMAN: I couldn't agree with you more. As you know, the second half of Conscious Healing addresses the evolutionary picture from a perspective of conscious evolution.
STUART TITUS: We were just talking about the electromagnetic and astrological signature we all carry. This comes right back to our DNA, or its base form as the energetic component that exists within us. I believe your research has been very profound in this regard. There's a good portion of our brain that we don't use, and we're also only using a very limited portion of our DNA. I thought you might like to describe some of your findings and thoughts along these lines?
SOL LUCKMAN: Some of the studies that have been done on the apparently unused portion of our DNA have been fascinating. That about ninety-seven of our DNA appears from normal levels of assessment to be dormant and doing nothing has baffled biologists. We like to call this DNA that has been dubbed “junk” DNA (a phrase which says a lot about certain aspects of the scientific mentality) potential DNA. Research in wave-genetics by the Gariaev group shows that the apparently unused portion of DNA is actually what you might also call spiritual DNA. This DNA appears to be the interface between consciousness and what we think of as matter. And it appears that consciousness can actually take segments of this DNA, which are sometimes called transposons, and transpose them or move them around to form a different composition. Bruce Lipton's research has shown that consciousness can change DNA, that organisms can adapt to their environment. Another biologist named Glen Rein's work shows that emotions can impact DNA and that our emotional state actually regulates our ability to heal. When we're in an expanded emotional state, it appears that our DNA expands kind of like an accordion, and RNA can then access DNA's healing codes. When we're in a contracted emotional state, such as in fear, then DNA contracts, and RNA has a more difficult time accessing these healing codes. So we began looking at “junk” or potential DNA not as some useless segment of the genome, but as a very malleable place of potential, including the potential for self-healing–our theory being that when healing is promoted through the use of sound and intention such as in Regenetics, what's happening is a molecular rearrangement of transposons in the genome.
STUART TITUS: How fascinating. We have to think that being able to tap into potential DNA, as you eloquently call it, can facilitate evolution of our species. The change we can bring about in the world is absolutely unlimited.
SOL LUCKMAN: You're touching on the reason why our work has gravitated to DNA and why so much work in the new-paradigm healing modalities is gravitating toward DNA. It all comes back to DNA, doesn't it? That's what creates us, and to change the creation, to change consciousness, and perhaps even to change physiology, we have to work at the level of DNA–and moreover, we have to use elements that DNA responds to. Since DNA appears to be a transducer of sound and light waves, sound and light waves become the obvious choice for stimulating DNA's potentials.
STUART TITUS: You've probably done as much research as anyone on the planet in this area. Recently, it was mentioned to me that is DNA actually a mineral salt.
SOL LUCKMAN: Yes, DNA is incorrectly named an acid. It's actually a salt, which lends even more credence to the notion that DNA is an electromagnetic transducer. It's a conductor of energy and, very literally, an antenna.
STUART TITUS: Now, Sol, let's talk about the Potentiation session. What does that look and feel like for the individual?
SOL LUCKMAN: Depending on whether the individual is having an in-person or distance session, that obviously changes things. Although we currently do not, our Facilitators perform the work in person. For remote sessions, a time is established that works for both parties. The session lasts thirty minutes. A scheduling letter is sent to the client that outlines the basics for the individual to be able to put himself or herself in a proper position to receive the activation. That boils down to being in a comfortable state where you can honor the half-hour as a new beginning. We follow up the session with a letter and the person's Electromagnetic Group, which includes a timeline for how the energy progresses through the electromagnetic fields. A lot of this is detailed on our website at http://www.phoenixregenetics.org.
STUART TITUS: I know you use certain sounds or frequencies to help activate the healing process. Perhaps you could describe that in a little better detail?
SOL LUCKMAN: I'm happy to. If you were to go to a Facilitator's office to experience the work, you'd probably lie down on a massage table. The Facilitator would read an invocation that outlines the intentions for the session on the part of the Facilitator. We purposefully keep our intentions in a generic vein. The vast majority of the studies that have been done on prayer and healing show conclusively that the less attachment to the outcome on the part of the pray-er, the more successful the healing. So we don't say, “Please heal this condition.” We keep it in the spirit of intending all results to be in the client's highest good. The individual receiving Potentiation would then hear a series of sounds that come out a bit like a chant. The Regenetics Method employs all vowels. Some have said Potentiation sounds Native American, others say it sounds Hawaiian or Indian. The sounds are combined with a specific thought process on the part of the Facilitator. Performing the session tends to put the Facilitator in a suspended state of consciousness, almost into an Eastern meditative state. Interestingly, some of our Facilitators have commented that performing the work has significantly advanced their healing in areas that have included dyslexia.
STUART TITUS: Wow.
SOL LUCKMAN: The chanting lasts for approximately thirty minutes. It's completely nondenominational. We're not affiliated with any religion, and we don't consider ourselves to be a religion. At the end of thirty minutes, there's a short closing of the session. Then the client is given the appropriate Schematic for his or her Electromagnetic Group, complete with a timeline for how the energy moves through the fields. Afterward, the Facilitator is available to answer questions as they come up. Five months later, the client is eligible to receive the second session, which is called Articulation Bioenergy Enhancement.
STUART TITUS: At that point, the person is just ready or has processed enough information?
SOL LUCKMAN: Effectively, yes. There's an important aspect of the work we haven't touched on that to a large degree distinguishes what we do from most other forms of DNA activation. This has to do with the Fragmentary Body. The Fragmentary Body is associated with the second electromagnetic field and chakra (the sex chakra). This particular field/chakra is basically a bioenergy drain. It represents a surplus. We think of it as the Duality Principle imprinted into human electromagnetics by DNA. Over the first five months following Potentiation, the Fragmentary Body is “sealed.” Our working theory is that this stops a person's bioenergy loss. That, in and of itself, tremendously facilitates healing on all levels. “Sealing” has proven to be quite profound. There's very often a noticeabe shift that occurs at the five-month mark.
STUART TITUS: So Articulation is really the second stage, if you will?
SOL LUCKMAN: Yes. It's a form of bioenergy enhancement. If you can imagine DNA as a wind sail on a ship going through space, a solar wind sail, then the genome is positioned in a certain way to receive galactic energy, Source energy. In the model we're using, astrophysically that energy comes from the center of the galaxy, and Articulation is a way of attuning our wind sails to receive more energy at the genetic and cellular levels. Energy in this model is universal creative consciousness. So you're receiving not only bioenergy as fuel for healing, but that bioenergy itself is more consciousness. Thus you're working not only on the physical level but, in particular with Articulation, on the mental level to help correct behavioral ruts one might be in, for example.
STUART TITUS: Then there's a third activation?
SOL LUCKMAN: There is. It’s called Elucidation and involves going even deeper and working through the emotional body and belief system to help the individual go to a higher level of self-empowerment.
STUART TITUS: Wow. This is just great work, Sol. I'm certain those you've trained to be Facilitators are experiencing some fabulous results–not only personally, but with their clients as well. I'm sure our listeners would love to have some contact information for you.
SOL LUCKMAN: The easiest thing to do is to go to our website, http://www.phoenixregenetics.org, where you can contact us, and also sign up for your free subscription to DNA Monthly. There's also a preview page for Conscious Healing, which can be purchased online.
STUART TITUS: I recommend that everyone do that. DNA Monthly is a fabulous publication. I've certainly enjoyed receiving it. Sol, it's been a great pleasure having you on “Health & Science: The Next Generation.”
SOL LUCKMAN: Thanks for having me.
STUART TITUS: This is a fabulous book that contains a lot of your great work and information you've obtained over the years. Conscious Healing, from the back cover, is: “Far more than the inspiring story of the development of a revolutionary technique for DNA activation. A brilliant synthesis of modern and ancient healing wisdom, this cutting-edge text is essential reading for anyone interested in energy medicine, consciousness research, quantum biology, human evolution, or personal enlightenment.”
SOL LUCKMAN: That's a mouthful.
STUART TITUS: Well, it certainly is. It's so great to have you here with us. Perhaps you can give us a brief overview of this technique you've developed?
SOL LUCKMAN: I'll be happy to. Briefly, the Regenetics Method arose from a realization that has been scientifically explored in a number of places, including in Russia by Dr. Peter Gariaev, that sound and light waves modulated to human language frequencies can stimulate DNA for healing and increasing consciousness. It can do this because DNA appears to follow semantic or grammatical rules, giving a lot of credence to the notion that in the beginning was the Word. It's a fascinating field of study that has been called wave-genetics, electrogenetics, and, by us, Regenetics.
STUART TITUS: And this is done on a remote basis? I mean, the individual being treated is not necessarily right in front of you.
SOL LUCKMAN: True. This is another of the realizations that came out of the research done by the Gariaev group and also Vladimir Poponin, as well as some other research groups. It appears that DNA activated by language, or radio and light waves, which we think of as thought and intention, actually opens up something akin to wormholes in the space matrix through which information can be transmitted faster than the speed of light in a superluminal fashion–a phenomenon that's attracting a lot of scientific speculation these days.
STUART TITUS: It's great to know that this sort of consciousness has been coming to light. It would be very interesting to measure consciousness with an index. Perhaps there's a way we could map the overall consciousness of human society. You're certainly making some great contributions in this area, and I enjoyed reading your book thoroughly.
SOL LUCKMAN: Thanks. In terms of a scale of consciousness, there is such a thing that has been put forth in an interesting book by Dr. David Hawkins called Power versus Force. Hawkins' model includes a scale of consciousness ranging through the different emotional states and tracking them numerically, from something like fear or shame down on the bottom all the way up through very enlightened states of consciousness, including unconditional love. Many people who have used the scale have been very happy with it.
STUART TITUS: That's great to know. Sol, you actually did a Potentiation session on me. I was here in the United States, and you were down in South America. It's fascinating how these energies are able to travel throughout the world, know how to tune us in just like a cell phone knows how to ring in right to your number, and allow for healing to take place.
SOL LUCKMAN: Interestingly, in light of the medium we're on, an Internet radio show, the research groups I've mentioned–Gariaev, in particular–liken DNA to a biological Internet, and healings are effectively emails that travel along what Rupert Sheldrake, a biologist, would call the morphogenetic network. The notion of distance healing has been scientifically, statistically proven by studies that have been done on prayer and healing. One of the most famous writers on this subject is Dr. Larry Dossey, a former cardiologist and author of Healing Words and Reinventing Medicine, books that eloquently outline the case for distance healing through prayer, for example. What we've done with the Regenetics Method is to take these concepts and look at them through the lens of DNA, and for distance-healing purposes, through the lens of DNA as a biological Internet, a field phenomenon that interconnects species regardless of time and distance. There have been many other studies on quite serious disease conditions involving prayer and healing. At the Phoenix Center for Regenetics we publish a free ezine called DNA Monthly in which we recently published an article by Cynthia Sue Larson, a well-known energy healer, on a very convincing study of distance healing performed in conjunction with a medical doctor named Elisabeth Targ.
STUART TITUS: It's just great, Sol, that Regenetics has come to the point where you have Facilitators doing this wonderful work. Now, Sol, perhaps you can tell us just a little about the Mission of the Phoenix Center for Regenetics?
SOL LUCKMAN: We like to say that the work we do represents a bio-spiritual healing path “for those with ears to hear” and that this healing path proceeds through integrated DNA activation. The Regenetics Method involves three separate DNA activations. The first is called Potentiation Electromagnetic Repatterning. Sessions take place on a specified timeline so that after you have the first one, you wait approximately five months to receive the second one. This allows for integration time.
STUART TITUS: Great words, “bio-spiritual healing path.”
SOL LUCKMAN: We also like to distinguish “healing” from “curing.” We make a point of doing that in Conscious Healing, where healing really means “wholing.” It's becoming integrated, realizing our oneness with creation, what we call Unity Consciousness, as opposed to or at least not to be confused with curing, which represents the alleviation of symptoms. Of course, both can be experienced at one time in healing.
STUART TITUS: That's a wonderful distinction, particularly for those on a spiritual path and those consciously evolving. We have the power within us to heal ourselves.
SOL LUCKMAN: Absolutely. Regenetics is inherently co-creative. We like to call ourselves facilitators, not healers, not practitioners, and certainly not doctors. Regenetics requires the individual to step up to the plate, so to speak, and meet us in the middle. We encourage people to commit to walking their highest path by using this form of “ener-genetic” activation to follow their own highest calling, whatever that is.
STUART TITUS: There's no one set formula that works for everyone?
SOL LUCKMAN: We deliver specific DNA activations. Each activation is particular to the genome as we understand it and employs language and thought. Individual experiences of these activations can vary greatly. Generally, we've observed that as one progresses through the three activations, one goes into older and deeper levels of trauma and toxicity and begins clearing on those levels. This means that if a problem is more or less a surface problem, often it can be corrected within the context of the first session. If it's a deeper problem, the second session very often can help. And if it's very deep down into what we think of as the emotional level and belief system, then the third activation has shown the most promise in such instances.
STUART TITUS: A great layered approach. Certainly, I've been very fortunate to experience some of your work and I'm aware of your brilliance in the field. But perhaps for others just tuning in and hearing about Potentiation and the Regenetics Method for the first time, we can take a step back and speak a little about how this work has evolved and why it seems so powerful in its uses today?
SOL LUCKMAN: I was very sick at the time I began developing this work. It's my belief based on research that I was negatively impacted by a series of vaccinations I received back in the mid-'90s that left me with a chronic condition that defied medical diagnosis for going on eight years. I had terrible food allergies. At one point I could only eat meat and vegetables. I couldn't even season them because of severe allergic reactions. I experienced environmental sensitivities, sleep deprivation, inexplicable rashes, tingling in my nerves and extremities–things that were very puzzling to everyone. Then I happened on the world of allergy elimination, specifically Dr. Devi Nambudripad's Allergy Elimination Technique, or NAET, and an offshoot called BioSET developed by one of Nambudripad's students, a chiropractor named Ellen Cutler. This work definitely helped me–so much so that I actually trained in a derivative of BioSET and offered it professionally for a while. I found that over a period of about a year, however, my health began to deteriorate again. It's a little hard to explain what happened then unless I use a word like “inspiration.” Around 2002 I began to suspect that one could go beyond allergy elimination and perform what I've since called an “ener-genetic reset” of the body's bioenergy blueprint that would have a more profound and permanent healing impact. At this stage I was reading a wealth of new material such as Jeremy Narby's The Cosmic Serpent, which is about DNA and shamanic healing. I started to understand the relationship between DNA and sound, specifically the vowels. It appears that the five vowels correspond to the five nucleotides or protein bases of DNA and RNA. In essence, we can use specific vowel sequences, spoken or sung, to “play” DNA a little like a piano. With the help of my partner Leigh, I developed Potentiation, which I performed on myself. Within about six months, I was back on my feet–which is quite phenomenal as I was really extremely ill starting out.
STUART TITUS: This is a story that many of us can relate to. I had a lengthy bout with Epstein-Barr, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome as it was then diagnosed, and was fortunately able to recover. But there are still many people looking for solutions. I know from all the work you've done, Sol, and everything I've been able to experience with you, that you've come up with some very profound work here. I'm just thrilled to have you on the show.
SOL LUCKMAN: It's an honor to be here.
STUART TITUS: Many people I know are familiar with kinesiology or muscle testing. Perhaps you could describe that for some of our newer listeners and how it led you to the first stage of your healing technique called Potentiation?
SOL LUCKMAN: First of all, kinesiology or muscle testing is a conflicted field. It has shown great promise; it has also met with resistance and misunderstanding. It's important to point out that with our kinesiology, having learned to muscle-test for strong and weak muscle responses working with a number of clients coming to us for allergy elimination, Leigh and I were very naive. As it turns out, that's not a bad thing to be in kinesiology, because one of the problems with muscle testing is that when one has a lot of preconceived notions about what one is testing for, the testing sometimes gets sloppy and inaccurate. So we were sort of testing in good faith, without a lot of emotional or ego attachment to what we were finding. One of the extraordinary things we discovered was that there are nine bioenergy fields and that each governs a specific set of interrelated functions in the human body. We think of each of these fields as an “ecosystem.” For example, you might have one field that energetically governs the function of bacteria, that controls the elimination of heavy metals, that also regulates the lungs, and that has certain emotions attached to it. Our testing began to present a wonderfully open-ended, or at least expanded, version of what it means to be human. The nine electromagnetic fields interface in a gridlike fashion with what have been called the chakras in the Eastern esoteric and healing traditions. The fields appear to be sonic in nature, sound-based; the chakras appear to process light energy. Here we have a connection between sound and light. A fascinating field called bioholography looks at the human body as, in essence, a hologram within a holographic universe, a hologram being an intersection of electromagnetic waves–in the case of the human body, sound and light waves. DNA functions as a transducer or translator between sound and light waves. We literally pull in universal energy in the form of sound (going back to the Music of the Spheres and other ancient notions such as the Nada Brahma or “the world is sound” philosophy) and then translate that sound into usable energy in the form of light, which in certain traditions has been called chi or prana. In Regenetics we call this the Genetic Sound-light Translation Mechanism.
STUART TITUS: Would you postulate, Sol, that perhaps people who are sick have a problem with this translation?
SOL LUCKMAN: I would indeed. I'd say that many illnesses are due to genetic damage in one form or another. Dr. Leonard Horowitz, author of a number of books on DNA, would say that our antennas have been clouded, that our reception is not what it should be. If one can clear out obstructions at the ener-genetic level, obstructions that might be toxicity, that might be trauma, that might come from vaccines, that might come from emotional problems or experiences, then one can promote the proper functioning of the organism and restore health.
STUART TITUS: Excellent. Getting into a little broader picture, I'm looking at this bioenergetic field pattern that I guess would distinguish a human from a lion or a tiger. We all have certain genetic or electromagnetic field patterns. Would you say that's correct?
SOL LUCKMAN: Absolutely. Going back to our work in kinesiology with a number of clients, while “mapping” the electromagnetic fields, we began to encounter certain individuals who didn't share the same patterning we typically encountered. There was a predominant pattern we discovered, then there were certain individuals who simply had their fields in different orders. In one group, we might find the ninth field governing the function of the liver, for example, and in another group we might find the first field regulating liver function. As we did more research, we ended up finding a total of twelve energy families–we call them Electromagnetic Groups–whose bioenergy signatures are really quite different one from another. This was fascinating, as it helped explain, for instance, why some people get sick from amalgam fillings and other don't. Then we found that these energy families lined up with the twelve pairs of cranial nerves. It's as if the twelve Electromagnetic Groups add up to the collective Mind of Humanity. Even more interestingly, perhaps, these twelve groups lined up with the twelve tectonic plates–as if there's indeed a connection between human consciousness and earth consciousness. So this model began to expand in very large and even cosmic directions pretty quickly.
STUART TITUS: Wow, that's fascinating. So perhaps some people are more disposed, say, to be athletes, others are healers, others are intellectuals. Would you say these are the kind of things that your Electromagnetic Groups reveal?
SOL LUCKMAN: To a certain extent, yes. For anyone familiar with astrology, in which there are twelve zodiacal signs, the twelve Electromagnetic Groups add a very helpful dimension to personality assessment and understanding people's behavioral patterns.
STUART TITUS: So this is like electromagnetic astrology, if you will.
SOL LUCKMAN: Yes, there are astrological elements that come into play within the electromagnetic blueprint, as well. They are connected. Truly, if we come from the stars, if we're stardust, if the theory of Panspermia is correct, DNA itself came from space and seeded the planet. So it's not at all surprising that the heavens should profoundly impact us in tangible, physical ways.
STUART TITUS: We're all interconnected. Just look at the changes taking place at the moment at a very accelerated rate compared to the previous history of the human species. It's fascinating what's going on in such a compressed period of time.
SOL LUCKMAN: I couldn't agree with you more. As you know, the second half of Conscious Healing addresses the evolutionary picture from a perspective of conscious evolution.
STUART TITUS: We were just talking about the electromagnetic and astrological signature we all carry. This comes right back to our DNA, or its base form as the energetic component that exists within us. I believe your research has been very profound in this regard. There's a good portion of our brain that we don't use, and we're also only using a very limited portion of our DNA. I thought you might like to describe some of your findings and thoughts along these lines?
SOL LUCKMAN: Some of the studies that have been done on the apparently unused portion of our DNA have been fascinating. That about ninety-seven of our DNA appears from normal levels of assessment to be dormant and doing nothing has baffled biologists. We like to call this DNA that has been dubbed “junk” DNA (a phrase which says a lot about certain aspects of the scientific mentality) potential DNA. Research in wave-genetics by the Gariaev group shows that the apparently unused portion of DNA is actually what you might also call spiritual DNA. This DNA appears to be the interface between consciousness and what we think of as matter. And it appears that consciousness can actually take segments of this DNA, which are sometimes called transposons, and transpose them or move them around to form a different composition. Bruce Lipton's research has shown that consciousness can change DNA, that organisms can adapt to their environment. Another biologist named Glen Rein's work shows that emotions can impact DNA and that our emotional state actually regulates our ability to heal. When we're in an expanded emotional state, it appears that our DNA expands kind of like an accordion, and RNA can then access DNA's healing codes. When we're in a contracted emotional state, such as in fear, then DNA contracts, and RNA has a more difficult time accessing these healing codes. So we began looking at “junk” or potential DNA not as some useless segment of the genome, but as a very malleable place of potential, including the potential for self-healing–our theory being that when healing is promoted through the use of sound and intention such as in Regenetics, what's happening is a molecular rearrangement of transposons in the genome.
STUART TITUS: How fascinating. We have to think that being able to tap into potential DNA, as you eloquently call it, can facilitate evolution of our species. The change we can bring about in the world is absolutely unlimited.
SOL LUCKMAN: You're touching on the reason why our work has gravitated to DNA and why so much work in the new-paradigm healing modalities is gravitating toward DNA. It all comes back to DNA, doesn't it? That's what creates us, and to change the creation, to change consciousness, and perhaps even to change physiology, we have to work at the level of DNA–and moreover, we have to use elements that DNA responds to. Since DNA appears to be a transducer of sound and light waves, sound and light waves become the obvious choice for stimulating DNA's potentials.
STUART TITUS: You've probably done as much research as anyone on the planet in this area. Recently, it was mentioned to me that is DNA actually a mineral salt.
SOL LUCKMAN: Yes, DNA is incorrectly named an acid. It's actually a salt, which lends even more credence to the notion that DNA is an electromagnetic transducer. It's a conductor of energy and, very literally, an antenna.
STUART TITUS: Now, Sol, let's talk about the Potentiation session. What does that look and feel like for the individual?
SOL LUCKMAN: Depending on whether the individual is having an in-person or distance session, that obviously changes things. Although we currently do not, our Facilitators perform the work in person. For remote sessions, a time is established that works for both parties. The session lasts thirty minutes. A scheduling letter is sent to the client that outlines the basics for the individual to be able to put himself or herself in a proper position to receive the activation. That boils down to being in a comfortable state where you can honor the half-hour as a new beginning. We follow up the session with a letter and the person's Electromagnetic Group, which includes a timeline for how the energy progresses through the electromagnetic fields. A lot of this is detailed on our website at http://www.phoenixregenetics.org.
STUART TITUS: I know you use certain sounds or frequencies to help activate the healing process. Perhaps you could describe that in a little better detail?
SOL LUCKMAN: I'm happy to. If you were to go to a Facilitator's office to experience the work, you'd probably lie down on a massage table. The Facilitator would read an invocation that outlines the intentions for the session on the part of the Facilitator. We purposefully keep our intentions in a generic vein. The vast majority of the studies that have been done on prayer and healing show conclusively that the less attachment to the outcome on the part of the pray-er, the more successful the healing. So we don't say, “Please heal this condition.” We keep it in the spirit of intending all results to be in the client's highest good. The individual receiving Potentiation would then hear a series of sounds that come out a bit like a chant. The Regenetics Method employs all vowels. Some have said Potentiation sounds Native American, others say it sounds Hawaiian or Indian. The sounds are combined with a specific thought process on the part of the Facilitator. Performing the session tends to put the Facilitator in a suspended state of consciousness, almost into an Eastern meditative state. Interestingly, some of our Facilitators have commented that performing the work has significantly advanced their healing in areas that have included dyslexia.
STUART TITUS: Wow.
SOL LUCKMAN: The chanting lasts for approximately thirty minutes. It's completely nondenominational. We're not affiliated with any religion, and we don't consider ourselves to be a religion. At the end of thirty minutes, there's a short closing of the session. Then the client is given the appropriate Schematic for his or her Electromagnetic Group, complete with a timeline for how the energy moves through the fields. Afterward, the Facilitator is available to answer questions as they come up. Five months later, the client is eligible to receive the second session, which is called Articulation Bioenergy Enhancement.
STUART TITUS: At that point, the person is just ready or has processed enough information?
SOL LUCKMAN: Effectively, yes. There's an important aspect of the work we haven't touched on that to a large degree distinguishes what we do from most other forms of DNA activation. This has to do with the Fragmentary Body. The Fragmentary Body is associated with the second electromagnetic field and chakra (the sex chakra). This particular field/chakra is basically a bioenergy drain. It represents a surplus. We think of it as the Duality Principle imprinted into human electromagnetics by DNA. Over the first five months following Potentiation, the Fragmentary Body is “sealed.” Our working theory is that this stops a person's bioenergy loss. That, in and of itself, tremendously facilitates healing on all levels. “Sealing” has proven to be quite profound. There's very often a noticeabe shift that occurs at the five-month mark.
STUART TITUS: So Articulation is really the second stage, if you will?
SOL LUCKMAN: Yes. It's a form of bioenergy enhancement. If you can imagine DNA as a wind sail on a ship going through space, a solar wind sail, then the genome is positioned in a certain way to receive galactic energy, Source energy. In the model we're using, astrophysically that energy comes from the center of the galaxy, and Articulation is a way of attuning our wind sails to receive more energy at the genetic and cellular levels. Energy in this model is universal creative consciousness. So you're receiving not only bioenergy as fuel for healing, but that bioenergy itself is more consciousness. Thus you're working not only on the physical level but, in particular with Articulation, on the mental level to help correct behavioral ruts one might be in, for example.
STUART TITUS: Then there's a third activation?
SOL LUCKMAN: There is. It’s called Elucidation and involves going even deeper and working through the emotional body and belief system to help the individual go to a higher level of self-empowerment.
STUART TITUS: Wow. This is just great work, Sol. I'm certain those you've trained to be Facilitators are experiencing some fabulous results–not only personally, but with their clients as well. I'm sure our listeners would love to have some contact information for you.
SOL LUCKMAN: The easiest thing to do is to go to our website, http://www.phoenixregenetics.org, where you can contact us, and also sign up for your free subscription to DNA Monthly. There's also a preview page for Conscious Healing, which can be purchased online.
STUART TITUS: I recommend that everyone do that. DNA Monthly is a fabulous publication. I've certainly enjoyed receiving it. Sol, it's been a great pleasure having you on “Health & Science: The Next Generation.”
Copyright (c) 2007 by Sol Luckman and Stuart Titus. All Rights Reserved.
[Sol Luckman is author of the internationally acclaimed Conscious Healing: Book One on the Regenetics Method, editor of the popular free ezine DNA Monthly, and cofounder of the Phoenix Center for Regenetics. His articles on the Regenetics Method of DNA activation have appeared in Atlantis Rising, Well Being Journal, Kindred Spirit, Renaissance, Odyssey, Sedona Journal of Emergence and Metamorphosis, and also have been featured in the alternative medicine anthologies Message of Spirit: A Manual for Your Mind and Heal Yourself with Breath, Light, Sound and Water. Nexus New Times called Conscious Healing, which also received a five-star endorsement from the Midwest Book Review and will soon be published in its third language, a “paradigm-reworking book” that introduces a “revolutionary healing science that's expanding the boundaries of being.” For more information visit http://www.phoenixregenetics.org.]
[Sol Luckman is author of the internationally acclaimed Conscious Healing: Book One on the Regenetics Method, editor of the popular free ezine DNA Monthly, and cofounder of the Phoenix Center for Regenetics. His articles on the Regenetics Method of DNA activation have appeared in Atlantis Rising, Well Being Journal, Kindred Spirit, Renaissance, Odyssey, Sedona Journal of Emergence and Metamorphosis, and also have been featured in the alternative medicine anthologies Message of Spirit: A Manual for Your Mind and Heal Yourself with Breath, Light, Sound and Water. Nexus New Times called Conscious Healing, which also received a five-star endorsement from the Midwest Book Review and will soon be published in its third language, a “paradigm-reworking book” that introduces a “revolutionary healing science that's expanding the boundaries of being.” For more information visit http://www.phoenixregenetics.org.]
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Simply fascinating. Potentiation indeed! Sol, you've hit the nail on the head. Just browsing through your tags is an enlightening experience in and of itself. I've been watching these commercials by pharmaceutical drug companies treating psoriasis and myofibromyalgia As a pharmacist, I have seen so much suffering, and only occasionally, when no one was looking I shot some healing energy to someone who could only hope for remission.
Sol, you are wise to expound on diverse paths leading to self-healing in terms of those possibilities, which our reality allows. In fact we create our reality and likewise we create the (healing) science of our reality. Your discernment of our reality shows in your prowess to facilitate self-healing in others! Keep up the good work! Cannot wait for our interview!
Thanks once again for your insightful and encouraging feedback, Bryan. I couldn't agree more that in a quantum reality there is no such thing as a monolithic (healing) science; there are only “sciences,” any of which can have their strengths and weaknesses based on the strengths and weaknesses of those of who, consciously or not, imagine them into being …
I, too, am looking forward to our interview!